Current stage of grief

Congratulations Barack Obama on a very hard won campaign.

Here is the way many of us Hillary supporters see it.

Most of us know that the right thing to do is to support the Democratic Nominee, and that Obama would be a far better choice for the country and the world than John McCain. Yet we hate the feeling of injustice that lingers from the mudslinging that has happened, fueled by the media and supported by many on the blogosphere.

Most of us are soul searching to try to overcome our feeling that this process wasn't fair, but we want a democratic candidate for president. Most of us generally like  Barack Obama, but some of us feel that this was not the best choice.

Many of us saw a large propensity to demonize Hillary Clinton at every turn by the media, and a propensity to give senator Obama the benefit of the doubt nearly every time.

Many of us saw a lot of misogyny on the part of the media which is clearly wrong. Happily, so far we have seen a careful self awareness of race equality.  Of course most of us stand firmly behind denouncing any race based prejudice we encounter, but many of us see that the same diligence has not been practiced in our society towards sexist mentalities.

Many of us feel that the slanderous accusation towards Bill Clinton and the Hillary Clinton campaign of race-baiting was completely unfair.

Many of us do not feel that the media bias is all the fault of Barack Obama, but yet he did benefit from a lot of factors that were very unfair towards Hillary Clinton.

Many of us are very solid in our convictions about the aforementioned circumstances that have prevailed over the primary season, and no little comment thread has any effect on those perceptions except to harden and embitter us.

Many of us have been loyal Democrats for a very long time, and a lot of the disrespect we have received has come from some very passionate but still inexperienced young people, who may be firmly rooted in the present, but lack the wisdom that a little age can bring.  This does not belittle their choice of candidate, the same choice that many more seasoned people have also chosen, but it does encourage a lack of respect towards their opponents.  Idealism can really bolster convictions of US vs. THEM,  later to be overturned by life experience.

Whether you agree with any of these sentiments or not, they are real and not limited to an insignificant few.  If you think that the party can do without people who did not originally support your candidate, you are wrong.  It is not a "just wait and see" kind of thing.  Whenever I read some trite little comment such as "don't let the door hit you on the ass on the way out", it really shows a profound ignorance that is really very ridiculous.

These kind of passions do come out in campaigns. Egos get bruised, hopes get crushed. Winners gloat, losers self pity.  Tempers flare.  Supporters become entrenched.  But for those of you that easily dismiss the frustrations of a large block that BARELY LOST, just as the other block BARELY WON, let me ask the question....Do you even know who you are dismissing?

Dismissing any group as close to the democratic vest such as us is just plain stupid.  And naive.

I say this because I want us to win, I hear a chilling amount of animosity towards this nominee from some democratic stalwarts whom I never would dream would consider not voting for the democratic nominee.

After Hillary's speech today I listened as CNN tried to downplay some of the boo's picked up during moments when Hillary expressed our need to support Barack Obama for President.  "The acoustics in the building seem to resonate the lower frequencies" or something like that.  Come on now.  Does that really help?

And for the comments sure to come debunking every assertion I have made, does that help either?

Obama and Clinton both seem to know what needs to be done, and a little mutual respect needs to take place here.

I do see that taking shape this last week, so I am hopeful.

er, yes we can....

that feels weird.....

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Re: Current stage of grief (none / 0)

People who were there said that the number of naysayers and those booing was actually very, very small.

In any case, what's done is done.  We need to fix the way we select our nominees in the future to avoid this rancor.


by Reaper0Bot0 on Sat Jun 07, 2008 at 03:10:32 PM EST

That is hopefully the case... (none / 0)

I do imagine the number may be small, but outside the pundit shows and blogs I get a real sense that it could really hurt us in the fall.


by Al Depansu on Sat Jun 07, 2008 at 03:18:33 PM EST
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Re: That is hopefully the case... (none / 0)

Your "concern" is duly noted.


by venician on Sat Jun 07, 2008 at 03:22:05 PM EST
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Give me a break (2.00 / 1)

If you are calling me a troll, a hidden repub, or anything like that then buzz off.


by Al Depansu on Sat Jun 07, 2008 at 03:25:14 PM EST
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Re: That is hopefully the case... (none / 0)

It will take time, time to heal, time to learn.

Think how long ago Super Tuesday seems, or the Potomac primary, or Ohio/Texas, or even all the way back to the beginning of the primary.  Time heals - maybe with scar tissue, but it does heal.

Take your time, be smart, and everything will work out.


We have nothing to fear but fear itself. And clowns.
by haremoor on Sat Jun 07, 2008 at 03:22:28 PM EST
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Either way, the chimp will be gone!!!! (2.00 / 2)

Speaking of nostalgia, I am hoping to get down to business of mopping up after these 8 years of shit.

We have a lot of work to do.  That keeps me going right now.


by Al Depansu on Sat Jun 07, 2008 at 03:28:47 PM EST
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Re: Either way, the chimp will be gone!!!! (none / 0)

I both applaud and accept those remarks!

Let's go fix this place up.


by Reaper0Bot0 on Sat Jun 07, 2008 at 03:30:28 PM EST
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Re: Either way, the chimp will be gone!!!! (none / 0)

Right on


by Al Depansu on Sat Jun 07, 2008 at 03:41:50 PM EST
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Re: Current stage of grief (2.00 / 1)

I do understand that because I felt the same when Dean dropped out of the 2004 race after the media wouldn't stop running that truncated tape of his yell. When I saw his speech originally I thought it was wonderful including the red meat yell for the supporters. I believe he would have won New Hampshire and then other states if they had not run that into the ground. It was really unfair and finished his candidacy. Also I had heard that Kerry's people had been calling people pretending to be from the Dean campaign and doing something bad (odd, I can't remember what now). So I detested John Kerry for awhile.

It wasn't until the convention that I got behind Kerry. I was genuinely inspired by his speech and from then on was excited about his campaign. But I still love Howard Dean and wish he had been the candidate. If you watched the convention you will know that a lot of Dean supporters were still crazy about him at that time. I was so very gratified at the huge upwelling of applause and joy when Dean went to the podium to speak. I assume the same will happen when Hillary speaks at the convention.

by Becky G on Sat Jun 07, 2008 at 03:20:02 PM EST

I was a Deaniac as well (none / 0)


by Al Depansu on Sat Jun 07, 2008 at 03:21:22 PM EST
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Repeat after me (or after Smokey the Parrot) (none / 0)


by PD1769 on Sat Jun 07, 2008 at 04:45:16 PM EST

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Well, take some heart from the basic message of the primary.  Obama represents that the Party needs significant changes and accommodations to more and different voters, Hillary represents that the Party's long term principles and causes endure and its full long term agenda ought to be implemented.

Democrats as a whole agreed to both propositions, and so the voters split evenly.  Even if one side had a million more voters now, it would still be basically an even split.  Even now there are people who want both at the same time.  That's not going to happen and is politically close to impossible- not so much for reasons of animosity, but that public opinion prefers to deal with things sequentially.

There were/are a lot of long-held resentments and bottled up hysterias inside the Party and outside the Party that came out during the campaign.  In the process a lot of things were said that have slight superficial truth but that people don't really believe.  Or rather, things they vented, and will quietly apologize for going overboard about later.

In the end we have Obama with an agenda that is mostly about the Party and a centrist political atmosphere in the country that favored him.  We have sidelined Clinton with an agenda that is national and international, and waiting for when the political atmosphere slips center-Left.

For now the Party and the media- maybe the country- have to pretend to themselves that Obama is the vastly superior candidate.  For the sake of unity and the easy selfcongratulatory narrative, it has to be pretended that Obama has transcended what Clinton represented, will implement more useful measures than she could have including all she might have, et cetera.  And it's a willful stretch even now- just look at the ways people are straining mightily to discover and assert fatally discrediting faults in Clinton, her campaign, and her supporters.  I don't think it's going to succeed.

2008 now belongs to Obama.  But as liberal trends nationally continue and the Party is fixed up and the country too somewhat, 2012 might be a lot better for Clinton than people are willing to imagine now.


by killjoy on Sat Jun 07, 2008 at 05:30:07 PM EST


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